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[求助]盛满水的脸盆下面戳个洞,水以漩涡形式流出,怎样解释?

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发表于 2010-3-30 16:18:52 | 显示全部楼层

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这个涡和半球有关吧?
您说和地理位置无关有参考文献没?
谢谢。
发表于 2010-3-30 18:50:22 | 显示全部楼层
我们组做过这个实验。
和无量数RO数有关。但真要拿个脸盆搞,稳定性和Re数控制不好。就成了稳定性的问题了。
发表于 2010-3-30 18:50:51 | 显示全部楼层
可以参看 上海大学 力学所 李海峰博士的论文。
发表于 2010-4-2 07:46:06 | 显示全部楼层
我突然觉得,有那么夸张吗?这么小的尺度,那个科氏力不会这样夸张
发表于 2010-4-5 13:57:50 | 显示全部楼层


呵呵 看Ro数了呢...涡动力学里应该有...
你现在还在Chalmers?
发表于 2010-4-6 01:26:06 | 显示全部楼层
恩,承认个错误先,之前我估计Ro为10的4~6次方量级,认为应该可以忽略科氏力,实际上是不客观的。经过调研,如此大的Ro,科氏力的作用仍然有可能体现出来,这应该是常规认为的临界值,不确定性会比较多一些

另,我和Chalmers没有关系,可能OpenFOAM兄记错了,不好意思,我土著而已

[ 本帖最后由 onesupeng 于 2010-4-5 20:19 编辑 ]
发表于 2010-4-6 09:09:07 | 显示全部楼层
这个问题在高等流体力学课上讨论过,漩涡的方向与地球自转没有关系,南北半球旋向也不是确定的,这与初始的压力分布有关。
发表于 2010-4-8 18:03:52 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 wuming2723628 于 2010-4-6 09:09 发表
这个问题在高等流体力学课上讨论过,漩涡的方向与地球自转没有关系,南北半球旋向也不是确定的,这与初始的压力分布有关。



这个说法不太确切吧.

我从网上摘了一段, 我觉得这个说法比较准确:
Coriolis force is a type of fictitious force imparted on a body moving in a rotating direction. Also referred to as 'the Coriolis effect,' it is called a fictitious force because it does not, in fact, exert any real force on its own. Rather, it is a measurable output of a rotating object, a consequence of inertia, and is observed by measuring coordinates on a rotating coordinate system.


Coriolis force is one of three forces that emerge when Newton's laws of motion, which are based on the idea that an observer is at rest, are translated onto a rotating frame of reference. The two others, both fictitious forces as well, are centrifugal force and the Euler effect. Coriolis force is most obviously evident when it comes to observing moving objects on the surface of the Earth, which is the largest rotating frame of reference most people will likely ever encounter.

In the northern hemisphere of the planet, above the equator, objects moving on the surface can be observed veering to the right. In the southern hemisphere objects veer to the left. Meteorological events, such as hurricanes, typhoons, and jet streams, are good examples of phenomena influenced by Coriolis force.

Coriolis force owes a degree of notoriety, in popular culture, to the television series The Simpsons. It was used as a plot device in the episode "Bart vs. Australia," in which a debate between characters Bart and Lisa, over which way the water flows when a toilet is flushed, sparks a collect call to Australia. Lisa explains that in the northern hemisphere water always flows in a counter-clockwise fashion, due to the Coriolis effect. This prompts Bart to call the southern hemisphere to verify her claim, igniting a dispute with the Australian government.

Lisa's assertion, while not incorrect, is in fact imprecise. While it has been shown that Coriolis force can impart an effect on bodies of water as small as a sink or toilet, the direction that water drains in these cases has much more to do with the direction the water comes into the bowl. Only after several hours of standing can the Coriolis effect overcome other forces, such as the mild current imparted by the placement of faucets.


In limited cases, the Coriolis effect is observable completely independent of the Earth as the frame of reference. Flies and moths, for instance, leverage Coriolis force when flying, by using special antennas — known as halteres — as gyroscopes. As the insect changes direction in flight or rotates on its axis, a Coriolis force develops on the vibrating haltere, which the insect can sense and adjust to for stability.
发表于 2010-4-8 23:40:15 | 显示全部楼层
糊涂了,这个有个结论没,到底和半球有没有关啊

我的感觉是肯定是有点的,但是不至于有那么大吧

感觉这个跟脸盆洞的位置有点关系吧,没做过试验(捂脸,不忍心破坏俺可爱的小盆子)
发表于 2010-4-9 12:26:13 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 zzZZZzz 于 2010-4-8 23:40 发表
糊涂了,这个有个结论没,到底和半球有没有关啊

我的感觉是肯定是有点的,但是不至于有那么大吧

感觉这个跟脸盆洞的位置有点关系吧,没做过试验(捂脸,不忍心破坏俺可爱的小盆子)



结论不是见到那得y或n 上面就是结论.
发表于 2010-4-29 23:04:15 | 显示全部楼层
其实,泉水向东流也是这个道理!
发表于 2010-5-25 19:56:22 | 显示全部楼层
我很惊讶地发现以前的回答不见了。
不过,同样的麻烦也出现在动力论坛上,因为版本的升级,以往的帖子都不能搜索。
关于这个问题最好的回答出现在动力论坛上,是coolboy在一个回帖中援引Pedlosky
的一个计算来说明,地球自转当然没有关系了(coolboy称其为见到的关于此问题最
好的回答)。看来Pedlosky也常为此类问题所不满,所以亲自计算并写了一短文章。
遗憾的是,我今天花了一个小时也没有找到这个帖子。

为啥气体动力学的书和船舶方面的教材中的方程都不包括地球自转的Coriolis 力呢?
显然是,根据尺度分析,可以看到对于本问题地球旋转是不重要的。

对于这个问题,其实问问研究飞机、轮船的同志:“你们做气动(水动)外形计算
时候要不要考虑地球自转啊?”

记得以前曾经回帖提过这个问题:“你问问做飞机的要不要考虑地球自转”,马上
有人回答“这里讲的是水耶,不是空气”。

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发表于 2010-5-25 20:23:15 | 显示全部楼层
看看下面的链接是否能解决一点大家的问题。
池盆涡。
发表于 2010-5-25 21:32:35 | 显示全部楼层
"与南北半球无关"是正解。涡的旋向只和下水管的走向有关(也就是向哪边排水有关)

这是跟Richard Halliburton在1938年写书说“宇航员可以从月亮上看见长城”一样的传说。
发表于 2010-5-25 21:33:08 | 显示全部楼层

与南北半球无关

贴重了。怎么删?

[ 本帖最后由 shirazbj 于 2010-5-25 21:38 编辑 ]
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